A Discovery of Witches Chapters 7 - 11 Discussion | 2

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Hello and welcome to Such a Fun Read, a podcast where we come together to read a book and

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chat about it, like a book club.

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I'm your host and resident reader Cherie, and I'm really excited to dive in and continue

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our discussion about the book we are currently reading, A Discovery of Witches by Deborah

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Harkness.

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We'll be getting into the characters, the story, the lore, and unraveling how this series

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all begins.

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This podcast is not spoiler free, but we will not be discussing anything that happens in

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future books in the series, and we will only be discussing what we've read so far.

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We'll start out with the manuscript section, there we will talk about what just happened,

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what we just read, and we will do that going chapter by chapter.

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Then we will go to the congregation section.

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Here we will talk about the things that stood out in the chapters, things we learned about,

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things we might think will be important for later, and we also might talk a little bit

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about lore here as well.

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And then we will have our rapid fire section.

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Here we'll go over three characters I want to talk about, two things I'm looking forward

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to, what moments have intrigued me about what could happen in the future, and one favorite

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quote.

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I'll pick a favorite quote from these chapters.

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And for this episode, we are discussing chapter seven through 11.

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So whether you're a diehard fan of this series or discovering it for the very first time,

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there's definitely something here for all of us to enjoy and explore together.

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to join in on our discussions, as well as the community.

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Now with all that being said, let's go ahead and get into the manuscript section and talk

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about what happened in these chapters.

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Also, the chapters in this book do not have titles.

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I just give them a little title myself.

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So first up we have chapter seven, the first date.

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So in this chapter, Diana starts a day with a nightmare and she felt like she was drowning.

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After only getting a few more hours of sleep, she brushes it off and heads out for a row,

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but thick fog cuts her outing short.

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Coincidentally, she bumps into Matthew Claremont, who seems to still be keeping an eye on her.

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They chat about the upcoming term.

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We learned that Matthew doesn't really have students.

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He is at the university more on a research capacity and Diana ends up accepting Matthew's

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offer of a ride home instead of walking home in the cold.

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During the drive, Matthew ends up inviting her to breakfast.

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This is the second time he's invited her out to eat, but this time she agrees.

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They end up going to a cafe and at that cafe, Diana notices his protective behavior with

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him making sure she was seated with her back to the wall.

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Also Matthew seems to be a regular at this cafe.

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Diana wonders if the people there know about him and he responds by saying that they know

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that he is different.

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They have some banter back and forth.

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We learned that Matthew studies science because he needs to know why he's here.

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She wonders what his relationship is with scientific research of neuroscience, DNA research,

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animal behavior and evolution.

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He doesn't really give her a straight answer, but he wonders what she thinks it might be.

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She says that she thinks something is holding them all together, but isn't sure what that

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is or he might just be an intellectual magpie.

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He questions her about why she's an historian and she says it is because of how logical

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it is.

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There is a beginning, middle and end.

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That seems to be something that has been said a few times in this book.

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Agatha said it, now Diana has said it.

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Matthew even hinted at it.

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I just noticed that.

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So Diana mentions how she needs to go to yoga that evening.

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I forgot about the yoga.

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And then Matthew surprises Diana by inviting her to a yoga class the next day.

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When Diana gets home, she puts a $10 bill in an envelope to be delivered to her friend

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Chris, Christopher Roberts.

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I think I forgot to mention that in the last episode, but I got to laugh here when I read

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this.

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He bet her $10 that Matthew would ask her out before the end of the week.

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Chapter eight, a day of yoga.

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So the next day rolls around and it's yoga time with Matthew.

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Despite attending a lackluster class the night before, Diana joins him for another session,

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this time at the old lodge.

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Matthew's gesture of offering his hand to help her out of the car catches Diana off

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guard, especially when she feels how unnaturally cold his hand is.

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They also have a brief moment of connection and that leaves both of them surprised.

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So the yoga class turns out to be a mixed bag of supernatural beings with vampires,

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witches and demons all in attendance.

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Matthew didn't tell Diana because he didn't think she would want to come, which I get

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it, but you got to tell people where they're going.

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So the session is led by Amira, who is a witch.

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Right before the session started, Diana sensed someone else's presence in her mind and felt

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this individual looking at her.

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But this voice was different from before.

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She looked over at that individual, which seemed to surprise them and they said, sorry.

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They apologize for invading her privacy.

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Also toward the end of the session, Diana steals glances at Matthew and their eyes meet

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and that momentarily softens their expressions.

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After the class, Matthew extends an invitation for tea at the gatehouse at the old lodge

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and we learn that Matthew built that place.

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And the keystone over the house's gates read 1536, which I believe is the year it was built.

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So we are getting closer to knowing Matthew's age.

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While they have their tea, the conversation ends up taking a serious turn when Diana adamantly

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declares her refusal to use magic, much to Matthew's confusion.

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The tension between them ends up escalating as Matthew questions Diana's reluctance to

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embrace her witch heritage.

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And he ends up admitting to not being sure if he can work with Diana on Ashmole 782 after

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Chapter 9, when a vampire craves a witch.

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So in this chapter, we are back to Matthew's perspective.

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He is in Scotland seeking refuge with his best friend, Hamish Osborne at Casdow Lodge.

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Over drinks, Hamish probes into why Matthew needed to see him, prompting a discussion

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about Diana.

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Matthew said that he needed to get away from a witch.

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Matthew does acknowledge Diana's uniqueness.

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He tells Hamish that she's a bishop and a proctor, which makes Hamish remark that she

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is a witch twice over and that she must be powerful.

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Matthew mentions how Diana doesn't want to use her magic.

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But when he watches her, he notices her using it more than she realizes.

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She shimmers when she's angry or lost in her work, he said.

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During this discussion, Hamish is noticing how Matthew is speaking about Diana and he

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thinks that his friend might just be in love.

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And Matthew even admits that he needs to go hunting to get his craving for Diana Bishop

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under control.

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So as they unwind after the hunt, conversation drifts back to Diana, with Matthew downplaying

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the significance of their interactions.

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However, Hamish sees through his friend's facade, sensing Matthew's growing affection

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for Diana.

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Like I said, Hamish thinks that his friend just might be in love.

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And also Matthew mentions how he knew all of the colors in Diana's eyes.

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Blue, gold, green, and gray.

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Yeah, that's no big deal.

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Their banter delves into the mystery surrounding Diana and the lost manuscript that she possessed,

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leading to revelations about Matthew's intentions and desires.

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He says he's just interested in the manuscript because he's been looking for it for over

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a hundred years.

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Hamish jokingly wondered if this manuscript contained the Philosopher's Stone or the

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Elixir of Life, and then he stopped joking when Matthew met his eyes.

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Matthew called it the Lost Book.

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And Hamish starts thinking about how Matthew and his family weren't big fans of witches,

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and yet Matthew is protective of Diana, which puzzles him.

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Then we dive into Hamish speaking about demons and prejudices, kind of similar to what Agatha

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Wilson said.

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Hamish also brings up those Westminster murders.

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Matthew thinks the murders are a sign that the vampires are dying out, and he also thinks

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that creatures are becoming extinct.

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That's when Hamish decides to ask Matthew about Diana's powers and what he's really

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after.

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Does Matthew want the witch for herself or for her power over the manuscript?

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Matthew quickly responds that he doesn't want her power, then says that he doesn't know

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what he wants.

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Then the conversation turns to women and Matthew's past and how he hurt them.

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And then this chapter ends on them playing chess into the middle of the morning.

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Chapter 10, when the other witches are getting on my nerves.

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So we catch up with Diana right after Matthew dropped her off the other night, stepping

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into her rooms, she's hit with a barrage of messages from Aunt Sarah, both on her answering

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machine and cell phone.

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Not ready to face the storm just yet, she mutes her devices and tucks into bed.

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The next morning, after a refreshing run, she finally caves and calls her aunts.

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Sarah is frantic, while Em suspects it's the vampire causing trouble.

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So Diana spills the beans about her yoga session with Matthew and the other creatures, leading

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to Sarah's skepticism about a vampire playing guardian angel to a witch.

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But Diana stands her ground.

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She ended up confessing about Ashmole 782, but she is adamant that she didn't cast any

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spells.

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Sarah of course is not convinced.

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She is urging Diana to channel her inner witch next time she comes across a bewitched manuscript.

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Back at the library, Matthew is MIA.

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As we read in the last chapter, he's in Scotland, but Miriam is there.

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And she ended up dropping some harsh truths on Diana.

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She was trying to push her to stop playing damsel in distress and start owning her powers,

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pretty much like Sarah has been telling her.

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Then something weird happens.

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Diana feels frustrated after her talk with Miriam and her fingers begin to itch.

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And then tiny sparks of blue-green began arcing between her fingertips.

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Luckily, there was no one around to see.

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And then she had a tough time concentrating after that, which yeah, I would too.

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And she decided to go get some tea.

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On her way to lunch, she looked into the upper reading room and saw all the creatures there.

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They apparently had segregated themselves, only sitting near their own kind.

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And it seems the creatures are there at the library because Matthew isn't around.

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They might be afraid of him.

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After Diana is back in the library from her break, she comes face to face with the wizard

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who attempted to invade her thoughts.

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This is the one from before and not the one at the yoga session.

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Introducing himself as Peter Knox and stirring memories of her parents, he seeks a private

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chat, insinuating a connection between her and her lineage.

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Later on, after that annoying conversation, she gets into another annoying conversation

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and this time with Gillian Chamberlain.

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She interrupts Diana's reading and says that Diana's family has caused more than enough

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trouble.

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She brings up Salem and says that it was all Bridget Bishop's fault.

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She drew human attention and brought it upon them.

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She was too independent.

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She also said that was Diana's mother's fatal flaw too.

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I'm sorry, but does Gillian Chamberlain want to get smacked?

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So Gillian continues saying how Diana's parents thought they didn't need the Cambridge Coven's

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support, but they learned they should have gotten it the hard way.

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Again, Diana, just smack her.

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It's fine.

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Or better yet, spark your fingers again.

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Let her see what happens when she keeps talking.

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But Diana does not do what I wish she would do and Gillian Chamberlain continues to talk.

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I don't know why I'm using her full name, but I don't know.

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She's annoying.

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I'm using her full name.

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It's whatever.

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But she continues to talk and she starts talking about Diana's father and how his power was

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more than they had ever dreamed.

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She also then starts to hint at Diana's parents being killed by witches.

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At least that's what I'm getting.

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And then she pretty much threatens Diana.

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She tells her to think about what happened to her parents and Bridget Bishop before she

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turns down another Coven gathering.

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So after Diana leaves the library and heads home, she receives a note from the warden

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and he invites her for a drink before dinner.

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And she reluctantly attends, but Peter Knox is there.

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Diana then remembers where she saw Peter Knox's name.

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His name was in the newspaper about the vampire murders.

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Peter Knox then starts asking Diana questions.

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He wants to know why she came to Oxford and why she sent Aspiral 782 back.

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He also knows Matthew has wanted the manuscript for over a century and he says that he can't

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have it.

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He also mentions how creatures can't afford to be noticed by humans.

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And then he also decides to insult Diana.

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He thinks that she is too much of an untrained witch and she should not have been able to

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call up the manuscript.

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And it might not be so easy next time for her.

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He also mentions that it might have been more than luck.

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She was able to do it since it was around a holiday.

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The sesquicentennial.

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He then continues to insult her and takes a jab at her spending so much time with Matthew

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and wants Diana to see if Matthew will tell her what he was doing in the autumn of 1859.

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He also called Matthew her vampire.

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Although I don't think she was as pissed off this time as she was before when Agatha said

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it.

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Peter then says that Aspiral 782 belongs to witches.

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They're the only creatures that understand its secrets and the only ones that will be

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able to keep them.

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He then spoke to her in her mind again telling her to beware of Matthew Claremont because

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he was a killer.

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And then to both of their surprises she spoke back to him in the same way.

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And now that is the sixth time Diana Bishop has used her magic that year.

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And now she's been threatened by two witches and amidst threats and cryptic warnings Diana

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finds herself reaching out to Matthew only to be met with silence.

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Chapter 11 a building connection.

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Diana didn't get any sleep.

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Her mind was consumed by the previous day's conversations and the lingering questions

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surrounding her parents mysterious deaths.

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Back at work in the library she does find herself in the presence of Peter Knox once

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more and then later when Matthew unexpectedly arrives Diana is genuinely pleased to see

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him and she plans to attend yoga again with Matthew later that evening.

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Later on their conversation does take a turn though when Matthew expresses that he didn't

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like Miriam revealing his hunting activities to Diana.

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He says that some things shouldn't be discussed in mixed company.

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Didn't he just talk to a demon about a lot of things though to Hamish things including

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Diana.

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So Diana admits to not keeping magic out of her life.

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She's been using it without realizing it.

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She also says that she is frightened over it.

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Their discussion deepens as Matthew reveals his struggle to distance himself from Diana

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and he had to get out of town because of the lingering sense of her sweater that was left

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in his car and he also admits to not being able to stop thinking about her.

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So Diana wonders if he is afraid he would hurt her and he does admit that he can't be

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sure.

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Then Diana wonders about the implications of their connection and notices an artifact

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around Matthew's neck is a silver ampulla from Bethany.

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It was shaped like a coffin and big enough to hold a few drops of holy water.

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So after yoga Diana experiences a moment of panic when a white owl appears triggering

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fears of an impending attack.

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After calming Diana down Matthew questions her about her motives for contacting him and

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he cautions her against romanticizing vampires.

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And despite the complexities of their relationship Diana acknowledges that they might generally

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have a friendship.

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And as Matthew drops her off he assures Diana of her safety from Peter Knox's interference.

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He says that Peter won't come within 50 feet of her again.

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Then Diana invites him to dinner the next evening and Matthew accepts.

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Okay let's move on to the congregation section.

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Let's talk about some key events that happened in these chapters the things that stood out

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and things we learned about and also things we might think will be important later as

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well as a little bit of lore.

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So first up let's talk about Diana and her magic.

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Some of these key events will probably be mentioned multiple times in these episodes.

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We'll just keep adding to it.

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This is one of them.

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So we learned in the earlier chapters that Diana is someone that doesn't want anything

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to do with magic but still uses it sometimes at her convenience.

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And now we get more reasoning as to why she's so against magic.

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She mentions how she wants a normal life.

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I don't want to be different I said fiercely.

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I want a simple ordinary life like humans enjoy.

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One that doesn't involve death and danger and the fear of being discovered I thought.

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We learned that she's scared of becoming her mother.

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Having all of that power and ending up dead.

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From the conversation she had with Gillian Chamberlain there is now some suspicion that

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witches may have had something to do with her parents death.

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So Diana has now used magic six times.

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And yes we are going to keep a tally.

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The three times before the story began and then her time with Asmall 782 when she got

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the journal off the shelf.

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And then when Diana spoke back to Peter Knox in his mind.

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If I'm missing any other interactions with magic let me know.

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Next let's move on to Matthew and what happened with him in these chapters.

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So we get more information about Matthew.

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First of all we got to see a house that he built.

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The old lodge.

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Apparently the land was given to him by Henry.

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He's just so informal about it.

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That would be King Henry the eighth.

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And we learn that the place was built in 1536 from the number on the gate.

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Which I believe Diana figured out to me the year the place was built.

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This story is I believe set in 2009.

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So that means that Matthew is over 450 years old.

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We still don't know exactly but we're getting there.

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When he was speaking with Hamish he talks about the women of his past.

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We have a warm blooded woman named Eleanor.

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Matthew and his brother were fighting and she got between them to try to stop it.

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But he ended up killing her.

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Then there is also a mention of another woman named Cecilia Martin that he killed over a

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century ago.

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He turned her into a vampire and she walked into a burning building because she hated

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it.

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Okay let's talk more on Ashmole 782.

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Here's a recap from what happened before.

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Diana encountered Ashmole 782 and then sent it back because it weirded her out.

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So many creatures started to turn up because of the manuscript.

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Agatha Wilson, a demon, hinted at the significance of the manuscript suggesting that it held

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the key to their existence.

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And now we've learned what Matthew possibly thinks it could be.

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We look back on the joke Hamish said about the manuscript containing the Philosopher's

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Stone or the Elixir of Life and Matthew didn't find it funny.

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Ashmole 782 was considered the lost book.

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Matthew talked about it with Hamish.

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Like most creatures, Hamish has heard the stories.

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One version suggested the witches had stolen a precious book from the vampires, a book

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that held the secret of immortality.

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Another claimed the vampires had snatched an ancient spell book from the witches and

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then lost it.

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Some whispered that it was not a spell book at all but a primer covering the basic traits

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of all four humanoid species on Earth.

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Matthew had his own theories about what the book might contain.

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An explanation of why vampires were so difficult to kill and accounts of early human and creature

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history were only a small part of it.

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We also get more about it from Diana and Peter.

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We'll go with what Diana says first.

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She is speaking with her aunt, Saren, telling them about her experience with it.

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Someone had put a spell on the manuscript's text.

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There were layers upon layers of writing moving underneath the surface of the pages.

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Diana also said that it felt funny and wrong and that when she put her palm on it, the

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manuscript tingled, then sighed, and then relaxed.

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She broke the spell when she did this, but it was reactivated when she sent it back.

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Now we'll mention what Peter Knox said.

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I mentioned earlier that Peter Knox said that witches are the only creatures that understand

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the secrets of Ashmole 782 and the only ones that will be able to keep them.

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Then Diana gets annoyed after he says this and demands what is in the manuscript.

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When Peter Knox responds, he says,

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The first spells ever constructed, descriptions of the enchantments that bind the world together.

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The secret of immortality, how witches made the first demon, how vampires can be destroyed

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once and for all.

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It's the source of all of our power, past and present.

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We cannot be allowed to fall into the hands of demons or vampires or humans.

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Another thing I want to bring up is the newspaper article about the killings.

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This was one of the two things I was looking forward to knowing more about from the last

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episode.

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This time it was brought up during the conversation between Matthew and Hamish.

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Hamish called them the Westminster killings and we learned that Matthew thinks the murders

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are actually a sign that vampires are dying out and creatures are becoming extinct.

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Which could give us another clue as to why he wants Ashmole 782 so badly.

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So he could figure out what is going on with vampires as well as if it can be stopped.

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Now I want to talk about one of the locations in this book.

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It's an important location.

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We've been to it multiple, multiple times and that is the Balian Library.

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I'll give you a little background on it and add some stuff from Diana's perspective.

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Diana spends a lot of time there.

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So the Balian is one of the oldest and most prestigious libraries in Europe located in

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Oxford, England.

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It was established in 1602 and it serves as the main research library of the University

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of Oxford.

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The library's extensive collections include rare and valuable items such as medieval manuscripts,

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early printed books and literary treasures.

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And this story is the key location of Ashmole 782.

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There are also different areas in the library that have been mentioned in this story.

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There is Duke Humphrey's.

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This is the reading room for Diana.

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It is one of the oldest reading rooms in the Balian.

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It is named after Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester, who donated books to the university in the

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15th century.

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It has ancient wooden desks, a Gothic painted ceiling and stained glass windows.

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There is also the upper reading room.

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It offers additional space for scholars and researchers to study rare books and manuscripts.

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And this is where the other creatures spent time waiting for Diana to get Ashmole 782

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again.

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It also has tall windows and wooden bookshelves.

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I really would love to go to the Balian one day.

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Maybe I'll get there.

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Okay, so throughout this book, as well as this series, we see a lot of historical figures

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being mentioned.

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And some of them started to show up in these chapters.

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I don't think I miss any from the earlier chapters, but I might have.

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Let me know.

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I want to talk about the historical figures that were mentioned, and I'm going to keep

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a track of them in each episode.

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So first up, we have King Henry VIII.

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Matthew mentioned him in regards to the house he built.

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He said Henry gave him the land being so informal about it.

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So King Henry VIII, he was the infamous monarch of England who reigned from 1509 until his

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death in 1547.

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He is known for his six marriages that led to significant political and religious upheaval

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in England.

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And he led the English Reformation and the establishment of the Church of England with

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the monarch as its head.

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Next up we have Sir Peter Leely.

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He did the painting of Matthew's sister, Louisa.

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He was a prominent Dutch-born portrait painter who became famous for his work during the

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English Restoration period in the 17th century.

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He also was appointed as the principal painter to King Charles II.

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He painted numerous portraits of royalty, nobility, and prominent figures of his time,

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leaving behind a lasting legacy as one of the leading portrait painters of the Restoration

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era.

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Next we have Robert Hooke.

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He was mentioned when Diana and Matthew were going back and forth, and Diana talked about

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why she didn't want magic to be part of her life and how she'd rather be a Robert Hooke

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than an Isaac Newton.

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So Robert Hooke was an English scientist and polymath who lived during the 17th century.

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He made significant contributions to physics, biology, and architecture, and he coined the

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term cell in biology and formulated Hooke's Law of Physics.

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And he also played a key role in rebuilding London after the Great Fire of 1666.

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His legacy, though, was overshadowed by contemporaries like Isaac Newton, and much of his work was

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not fully recognized until centuries after his death.

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Speaking of Isaac Newton, we'll move on to him.

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He was mentioned during the same conversation.

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So Isaac Newton was an English mathematician, physicist, and astronomer who lived in the

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17th and 18th centuries.

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He is best known for his groundbreaking work in the field of physics, especially his laws

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of motion and universal gravitation.

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Newton's Principia Mathematica remains a cornerstone of modern science, solidifying his legacy

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of one of history's most influential scientists.

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Next we have the Duke of Chando.

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He was mentioned when Matthew told Diana that he knew someone since 1718.

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So this duke was James Bridges.

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He held significant positions, including paymaster general of the forces during the War of the

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Spanish Succession and later first lord of the treasury.

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He was renowned for his support of the arts and architecture, notably commissioning the

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lavish cannon's house in Middlesex.

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However, his financial mismanagement tarnished his legacy and he died in obscurity.

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Next we have Robert Adam.

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He was mentioned during a conversation between Matthew and Hamish.

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So he was a Scottish architect and designer who lived in the 18th century.

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He was known for his neoclassical style, which reshaped British architecture, and some of

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his notable works include Kenwood House in London, Coliseum Castle in Scotland, and the

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Royal Naval College in Greenwich.

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And last but not least, we cannot forget about Elias Ashmole.

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He has been mentioned throughout this entire story so far.

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So Elias Ashmole was a 17th century English antiquary, politician, and Freemason.

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He is best known for his extensive collection of manuscripts, books, and artifacts, which

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formed the basis of the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford, the world's first university museum.

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He was also a noble figure in the Royal Society, the premier scientific society of England,

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and he made significant contributions to the fields of alchemy, astrology, and archaeology.

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Okay, so I have some other stuff that I wrote down that we learned about throughout these

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chapters and I wanted to go over them.

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So we learned that vampires in this story have only five senses, and also speed does

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seem to be something vampires have in this story.

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When Matthew and Diana go out for breakfast after he parks, he quickly moves to her side

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of the car, open the door for her, which call her off guard.

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Also, Matthew can't feel what Diana can when other creatures look at her.

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When a witch studies another, the touch of their eyes tingles.

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When a demon takes a look, there is a slight unnerving pressure of a kiss.

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And when a vampire stares, it feels cold, focused, and dangerous.

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And I believe that Diana said that her least favorite is when a demon looks at her.

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There's also more talk about how humans would notice creatures being around each other if

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they mix.

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That was something that was brought up before, and it seems to be something that keeps getting

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mentioned.

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We also learned that participating in human politics or religion was forbidden for creatures.

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That is something we learned during the chapter that we met Hamish.

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Also the term intellectual magpie was used.

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Diana calls Matthew this.

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I did not know what a magpie was, so I had to go look it up.

470
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It looks to be a bird of the family Cardiva, and they are considered to be widely intelligent

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creatures.

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And then the phrase intellectual magpie describes someone who likes to collect lots of different

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ideas and information from different places.

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They end up mixing these ideas together in their mind to come up with new thoughts or

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understandings.

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And this shows how being curious and open to new ideas can help us learn and understand

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more about the world.

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Okay, let's move to the rapid fire section.

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So we'll start with three characters.

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The first character I want to talk about is Hamish Osborne.

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He is a demon and he is from a Glaswegian family.

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His father was an insurance salesman and his mother a full time homemaker.

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He is also an only child.

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He is Matthew Claremont's closest friend.

485
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He's able to understand Matthew in ways others can't.

486
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And he realized he was smarter than his teachers at the age of 12.

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He was a mathematical prodigy and he learned early on that he was a demon.

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His father resisted the notion at first, coming from a staunch Presbyterian background, but

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his mother pointed out how he had been raised to believe in witches.

490
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So why not demons?

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Hamish was accepted by his family for being a demon.

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And we know from what Agatha told us about the prejudices that demons face, that isn't

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something that always happens.

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His mother also knew that Hamish was gay and she and his father accepted him for that as

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well.

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Next, let's just get this over with.

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We'll talk about Peter Knox.

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So he is a witch or wizard, whichever you prefer.

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I think he's been referred to both throughout the story so far.

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He's an author of bestselling books on modern occultism and he's been consulted by agencies

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around the world on cases of satanic and serial killings.

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He seems to know Diana's parents, but that has not been fully explained yet.

503
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He also seems to be prejudiced against other creatures, but not in exactly the same way

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that Sarah is.

505
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It feels more violent.

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00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:46,240
When he was talking about what Ashmold 782 was, he believes that Ashmold 782 can help

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them destroy vampires.

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And he also said that witches created demons.

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So I just know he thinks he's above them.

510
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He definitely thinks that he is above demons.

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He has a lot of ambition and a considerable amount of skill.

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So that is something Diana will need to look out for.

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And I'm sure we'll get to know a lot more about this man in the future.

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And for the next person, since we are getting Peter Knox out of the way, we might as well

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do the same with Gillian Chamberlain.

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Now we don't know a lot about her except that she can be annoying.

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She is a witch and a member of the Oxford Coven.

518
00:38:30,460 --> 00:38:35,280
She is a scholar of classical languages and ancient religion.

519
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,520
She definitely values witch traditions.

520
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She does not understand how other witches wouldn't be around other witches.

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Like Diana for always declining the invites to the Coven.

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It will be interesting to see if Gillian confronts Diana again or whatever else she does.

523
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She seems to align her beliefs with Peter Knox on certain things.

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So I'm sure we will see them together at some point.

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So those are the characters.

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And now let's talk about the two things I'm looking forward to.

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What moments have intrigued me about what could happen in the future?

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So Diana's parents mysterious death.

529
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:22,960
Gillian Chamberlain was talking a lot about Diana's parents and her insinuations about

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their death.

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And we need more.

532
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We know that Diana saw images of her parents in a chalk mark circle and their bodies were

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broken and bloody.

534
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,080
We need to know what happened to them.

535
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We need to know.

536
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And the next thing is, when is Diana going to use her magic again?

537
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She's at number six on the year.

538
00:39:44,980 --> 00:39:50,640
I'm curious how many times she will use magic during the next few chapters we read.

539
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,640
I think I'll go with at least two more times.

540
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,000
I don't remember.

541
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So I'm going with two more times.

542
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,600
Now let's move on to favorite quotes.

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I had a few quotes here I thought about picking, but I decided on this one.

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So this quote came up during a conversation Diana was having with Matthew.

545
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,280
This was when he was curious about why she was an historian.

546
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And he's wondering like, what if you can't explain things?

547
00:40:21,140 --> 00:40:23,280
What if there is no explanation?

548
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,560
What if it defies explanation?

549
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,960
And she says, that's never happened.

550
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,000
At least I don't think it has.

551
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,400
All you have to do is be a good listener.

552
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,760
Nobody really wants to keep secrets, not even the dead.

553
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,560
People leave clues everywhere.

554
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And if you pay attention, you can piece them together.

555
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,520
And I'm kind of with Diana here.

556
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,360
I think that people do leave clues to things.

557
00:40:54,360 --> 00:41:00,120
It is just a matter of not just being able to figure them out, but if you want to figure

558
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,280
them out.

559
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,160
And there are definitely a number of things that Diana needs to piece together.

560
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,520
It's just, does she want to figure them out?

561
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,440
Why Ashmole 782 was drawn to her?

562
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,020
What Matthew wants with her in Ashmole 782?

563
00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:17,840
What really happened to her parents?

564
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,280
Again, we need to get to that.

565
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,480
What all the creatures will they want from Ashmole 782?

566
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,640
I believe Agatha Wilson wants it to understand things better.

567
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,040
Peter Knox seems to want it for evil.

568
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,880
We know that Matthew seems to want it to understand and solve things.

569
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,920
And also Diana's magic.

570
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,120
It is strong enough to unlock Ashmole 782.

571
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,700
Will she be able to figure out what else she can do with it?

572
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:47,800
And also, will she want to?

573
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,980
Some of these things might seem easier than others to figure out.

574
00:41:51,980 --> 00:41:57,480
But if Diana can take a moment to step back and look at the clues in front of her, I'm

575
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,320
sure she can figure it all out in no time.

576
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,920
Well maybe not no time.

577
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:10,680
At some point.

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Alright folks, that brings us to the end of this episode into the world of the discovery

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of witches.

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We tackled chapters 7 through 11 and next week we will be reading chapters 12 through

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16.

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So get ready for more conversations and possible tension with Diana and Matthew.

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I definitely love to know your thoughts on anything we discussed today.

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00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,800
Also which creature would you rather be?

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A witch, a vampire, or a demon?

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That is something I will need to think about and I will definitely answer next week.

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